Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Am0rIn0 on Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:13 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:Very sad to see instead push on the right direction, so many people just know to critic !!!
I was the first of this industry with my team to get a PCR DNA test in Hungary Feb 18 and I tried help the people to take the good direction.


Critic, different views and debate is important to optimize things.
Yes there is as always lots of rumors and blaming. HIV-1 fine, but where is HIV-2 result? It seems not be tested. It's just 1% of HIV cases (but for sure increasing because of african migration), but just imagine one actor would have HIV-2 and nobody tests for it, that would be the ultimate super GAU and jackpot. That's why in Germany p24 duo test is prefered over PCR HIV-1.

Also it's most important to teach talents to use condoms in private, as it seems they more and more forget how risky it is. Teaching them over and over again so that it's digged deep into their brains. Everything starts with unprotected sex in private. Everything. Clinics and agencies could do it with flyers while talents are in waiting room and producers should remind them too on every occasion.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Am0rIn0 on Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:22 pm

8 out of 9 first generation contacts are already tested negative by HIV PCR. Number 9, his latest contact, is on prep as pre care measure, will take some time until she gets tested, but probality of infection is extremely low.

So HIV situation is completely under control. No reason for hysteria.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Pierre Woodman on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:05 am

What? :lol: Stop the FUD, even without you, the industry is not lost. VR, webcams, online video stores, etc. it's just evolving.
And it's just 1 or 2 people infected, not a worldwide zombie outbreak!


I was not speaking about that !!!
When I said "lost" I wanted tell the porn industry of 2019 is a ghost world compared of what it was 20 years ago !!! Today it's just a crazy place the porn industry where it's more and more difficult for me to find "normal" people !!!
When I see how Rocco for instance speaks on YouTube about Nacho supposed be his friend, or LP forum who let Ricardo tell such discusting fakes and stupid things about Nacho, Christophe Clark and me, + some morons insulting Nacho for his HIV problem, I really feel this business is lost and not evolving as you think. Porn is more and more every day a place where big thieves wash their dirty money and the day some governments will kick in it, you'll see what will happened ...

About HIV 2, when we did the meeting with all agencies wednesday at the G1 labor, one of the most famous HU scientist about HIV was present and she explained there was till today ONLY 1 CASE of HIV2 detected in history in Hungary and it was 15 years ago with an african entered illegally in the country . What makes me more worried is the fact the Hepatitis C is NOT TESTED PCR DNA in USA or EU because then the test will cost double price.
So when all of us have a blood test, we are covered only at 3 months anteriority. Even a DNA test cover us only at 2 weeks anteriority for Hepatitis and 6/10 days for HIV.
Looking at the number of death in 2015 in the world from Hepatitis I think it's an important aspect of the situation.

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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby henryjames on Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:07 pm

Just some thoughts...

Most of us here are consumers not producers of porn, with jobs, commitments and interests beyond this hobby.

So, when industry insiders fight each other, it is of limited interest to us.

Like two soccer managers in a war of words, it is peripheral to the game.

To pursue the analogy, some players fulfil early promise and have good careers, the very best combine talent with class and hard work to become legends, many fade early because they lack genuine talent or commitment, quite a few are cut down by injury or by strife with bosses and agents, a handful walk away becuse they realise they don't actually enjoy the game anymore, some retire early because they get scared of the risks or the lifestyle, some get physically unfit at a young age, others let success go to their heads and self-destruct, and sadly one or two are derailed by booze or drugs or false friends or just by their own greed and stupidity.

And the great majority just play at top or second level for six or seven maybe ten years, with some great games and some shit ones, hoping that when it is all over they will have some good memories and some cash in the bank, and a body that will still function into middle age after all the hard treatment.

The same is true of porn babes - the hard fact is that for us spectators, as long as the game goes on and some superstars emerge and a bunch of interesting new players arrives each year, we will not worry too much about the injured or the failures or the behind-the-scenes arguments.

I was sad to my heart last summer when Belle Claire retired and France beat Croatia, but did I give up on porn or soccer? C'mon...

I love and respect nearly all women, hate to see them violently treated (will not continue watching any clip where some scumbag faceslaps or spits) and am very sorry for the girls who have been infected, but when all is said and done they will get cured and move on and/or out, and there will still be porn for us ladies and gentlemen to enjoy.

As someone else here said, they are doing a job,that has risks like most jobs - and just as a builder might fall from a roof or an athlete might get her knee fucked up, so with them. Of course there should be the best safety precautions possible, but of course there will still be accidents.

Cars kill many many times more people than STDs and we think that is a normal price to pay for the pleasure and convenience of driving.

That is more than enough for now.

Questions for the future:

1. Is the industry really withering as Maître Pierre is always telling us? Not, I suggest, from the consumer's point of view.

2. Are porn babes who also 'escort' the cause of the so-called outbreak? Or is it that the male 'talents' are insatiably promiscuous active and passive bisexuals who will do anything anytime with any human or animal and believe themselves to be immortal? That is certainly the way some of them look... but perhaps in saying so I am victim of jealousy.
Gratitude, Joy and Submission, here is where they're at, viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28259
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Am0rIn0 on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:22 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:About HIV 2, when we did the meeting with all agencies wednesday at the G1 labor, one of the most famous HU scientist about HIV was present and she explained there was till today ONLY 1 CASE of HIV2 detected in history in Hungary and it was 15 years ago with an african entered illegally in the country . What makes me more worried is the fact the Hepatitis C is NOT TESTED PCR DNA in USA or EU because then the test will cost double price.
So when all of us have a blood test, we are covered only at 3 months anteriority. Even a DNA test cover us only at 2 weeks anteriority for Hepatitis and 6/10 days for HIV.
Looking at the number of death in 2015 in the world from Hepatitis I think it's an important aspect of the situation.


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I understand that Vidal is your friend, but he fucked up by fucking around in private without condom, likely with tranny as during hetero intercourse infection of man is extremely unlikely as you know. A pornstar with over 20 years of experience should have known better, so he is to blame for that. You use condomes in your scenes, maybe it's time to remind all talents you work with to do it in private so they don't forget. People learn by hearing smth over and over again. Brillbabes now introduces educational videos for models about STD risks, it think to educate models is most important, so that they tend to use condom in private as here all STD cases start.

Not a testing method and testing timeframe of 3 weeks made Vidal positive, but unprotected sex with untested person in private. We all need to keep this in mind.

Hungary isn't an island, especially porn biz isnt as more and more models come from all over the world. HIV-2 must be covered, otherwise you risk to have a jackpot sooner or later. A "most famous scientist" who tries to play this down maybe isn't right person. But as HIV-2 is rare p24 and ELISA should be enough for HIV-2.

When was last HIV case in European biz? Do you remember? See, it looks like there is a HIV case every 15-20 years and yet everyone gets hysterical or even panics, while all 9 1st generation contacts of Vidal seem to be negative.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby pplolo on Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:55 pm

what most people fear is not disease but regulation,
they don t want gvt decision to close the shop like in russia,
it is obvious european industry shifted to the east because of
lower regulation and cheaper cost.
russians stepped in because of ban in their country and now north americans
stepped in too, also south american girls(colombia mostly via spain network).
Actors may be aware of the situation in their country but when they go outside
for work or leisure they may trust people who brought them here and may not be aware
of the local people to be avoided which increase significantly the disease risk .
hence the industry disease risk increase significantly and so the regulation one.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby olga cabaeva on Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:59 pm

Am0rIn0 wrote:8 out of 9 first generation contacts are already tested negative by HIV PCR. Number 9, his latest contact, is on prep as pre care measure, will take some time until she gets tested, but probality of infection is extremely low.

So HIV situation is completely under control. No reason for hysteria.

Where did she get PreP? It's not legal in Spain. There is one place in Barcelona -Checkpoint ,yes,they work with PreP coz this clinic participates in experimental scientific study. I found in Spanish newspapers, Checkpoint used to ask gays who like to fuck bareback around to be volunteers in this project Discover.But they know what kind of risks they are facing.
https://www.google.es/amp/s/www.vice.co ... ida-espana
Probably,she bought it on line ,as by internet is no control.
Btw, PreP project founded by American government ,Bil Gates ,Johnson & Johnson etc.
https://www.prepwatch.org/in-practice/i ... -partners/
It's something related to AIDS in African countries.

In Italy PreP is legal but with restrictions. It 's recommended for homosexuals, transexuals and people who have HIV+ partners
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby olga cabaeva on Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:39 am

I cut it from interesting threat between American performers and HIV acctivists.
https://twitter.com/Jasmine_Jewels/stat ... 67265?s=19
I did some copies in case if people will be banned from Twitter soon or the posts will be deleted.
If Hungary wants to push whole industry to do just PCR testing on HIV 1,you know that does it mean
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Pierre Woodman on Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:17 pm

I understand that Vidal is your friend, but he fucked up by fucking around in private without condom, likely with tranny as during hetero intercourse infection of man is extremely unlikely as you know.


Well who ever gave it to him, nobody knows and my personal feeling is the condoms are useless in most of the sexual intercourses because a throat has the same mucus than a vagin or a rectum !!! And who takes a condom for blow job ???
So I use condom in my video more to please my family than to trust in it myself ... I have more confidence in a DNA PCR test than in a piece of plastic until it"s not used for ALL sexual practices including BJ ...

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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby paroxysmia on Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:45 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:
Well who ever gave it to him, nobody knows and my personal feeling is the condoms are useless in most of the sexual intercourses because a throat has the same mucus than a vagin or a rectum !!! And who takes a condom for blow job ???PW


Not really. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/oralsex.html
And anal sex is known to be an aggravating factor of the HIV transmission because bleeding is frequent due to microlesions of the anal area.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby olga cabaeva on Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:21 pm

http://i-base.info/qa/257
Combo or duo antigen/antibody test p24 is still the best option . And I think it's euro standard for testing HIV.
PCR/DNA test alone doesn't look for antibody. And it costs much more money
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby olga cabaeva on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:56 am

https://youtu.be/ag_I4DgKwR4
Diana's interview.
Yes,she also did DNA test but she still must wait 45 days to be sure she is 100% negative
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Am0rIn0 on Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:56 pm

Yes they must do confirmation test after 6 weeks. But a negative HIV PCR after 2 weeks is already 99,9% accurate. Everything will be fine, as they were hetero sexual contacts. Also heard that prouctions in France and even Barcelona started shooting bg again.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby Am0rIn0 on Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:07 pm

Pierre Woodman wrote:
I understand that Vidal is your friend, but he fucked up by fucking around in private without condom, likely with tranny as during hetero intercourse infection of man is extremely unlikely as you know.


Well who ever gave it to him, nobody knows and my personal feeling is the condoms are useless in most of the sexual intercourses because a throat has the same mucus than a vagin or a rectum !!! And who takes a condom for blow job ???
So I use condom in my video more to please my family than to trust in it myself ... I have more confidence in a DNA PCR test than in a piece of plastic until it"s not used for ALL sexual practices including BJ ...

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Na dude you should know better, highest risk is anal sex with creampie. The viral load of course is highest in Semen and intestinal mucosa is absorbing nutritions into blood stream, so they also absorb virus easily. While in mouth you also have saliva which is antiviral to some extend. And in vagina you have a negative PH which also kills viruses to some extend.

I remember you once mentioned that you don't know any case were a man caught HIV from a woman and this makes completely sense.
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Re: Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

Postby olga cabaeva on Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:11 pm

PCR/DNA/Viral loads test alone used in babies born from HIV positive mothers. Because a baby carries her mother's antibodies for the first 2 years. Antibody testing is not useful until a child is around 2 years old.
PCR is not reliable test,coz it's not looking for HIV antibodies in blood. This kind of test is good if it's used as a part of combo 4Gen antibody/antigen P24 test.
Some American performers don't use FSC pass system and they go to other clinics to do correct test.
Also Eric Paul Leue was accused to hide HIV+ performers. Some independent porn studios offered to performers to do antibody test too. A few actors rejected it.
By doing just PCR test some people may not know their real status. And if Budapest tests just for HIV 1,this is already not ok.
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